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June 28, 2009

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mr.fun

Thmoas Friedmand needs to be hit by a bus.

crispy

oops ok robert i fixed the link.

marriotr

The link is nonfunctional, so I can't get the context. I want to comment, but the context may, in this case, be important.

Bracken

Let's point out, more accident prone drivers are not necessarily more lethal, that bad drivers are not necessarily more accident prone, and showcasing skills behind the wheel does not mean you will not get run over by a drunk hillbilly wearing an eye-patch rocketing through red-lights. Skill or no-skill, your ability to drive and be lethal at it, is a far stretch from any evidence or category of these people or those, more likely or less to commit to the turn, or drive on the wrong-side of the road, or pummel some unsuspecting poodles or citizens.

Henry

If someone were caught driving on the sidewalk, say, then we would want to know why he was driving on the sidewalk: was he a young teenager who hadn't learned to control a car, had he had a seizure because he has epilepsy, was he drunk? The reason that he was driving on the sidewalk would affect the way we dealt with the situation: whether we would tell the person that he may not drive again unless he takes driving lessons, takes medication, is sober, for example. If we required him to take driving lessons, then we would want some record on file that he had taken and passed those lessons, so that if he got caught driving on the sidewalk again, we could easily determine the reason. My point is that I do not see how can we avoid licensing.

Henry

If we don't license drivers, that wouldn't preclude prohibiting people who do not know how to drive (e.g. young teenagers), or who drive dangerously (e.g., drunk) from driving, would it? If so, then we would have, in effect, negative licensing: you can drive unless you've been prohibited from driving. (I am avoiding defining "we" so that the question can apply to anarchists and non-anarchists.)

crispy

on my position, there's no justification for licensing drivers at all. it's not exactly that driving is a right, but that there's no right to restrict it. but i'm not resting this argument on that, just pointing out that a high school degree is completely irrelevant to licensing drivers.

Henry

"Joint" in my previous comment should be "join." It was a typo, not a pun referencing "pot."

Henry

Yes, of course driving is a right. The state may limit that right for the safety of others, but not for reasons that are unrelated to driving. If it can deny you the right to drive because you dropped out of high school, then it can deny it for any reason (you smoked pot, you didn't joint the military, you didn't go to college). And if it can deny you the right to drive, why can't it deny you the right to walk on public streets that have been paved with taxpayers' money? Or even non-paved public areas, which, after all, are owned by the government?

Frederick

So driving is not a privilege... it's a right?

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