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Jared

Couldn't agree more Crispy, I'm just surprised that so few people comprhend the level of complete and utter servitude that public education "teaches" or forces if you prefer down your throat. Part of me is glad my short stay in this state sponsored hell hole is almost over but the other part is actually worried that I might well actually care about what they have to say if only to serve my own selfish tendencies and not get raped in the ass when I get to college cause my gpa didn't quite suck the administrators off the right way.

Bush 41

I'm genuinely curious: What would you like children to be taught, either at home or at a public school? What would Sartwell's curriculum look like?

Stephen

The late great Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan lamented the creation of the Department of Education. He knew that this would lead to standardization of education in the US. After all, why should a child in NYC be given the same education as a child in Antelope, North Dakota? How about we just be givien the exact same curriculum as Finns and just be taught in Finnish?

mp

I just finished teaching a class in which a freshman begged me to tell her what I thought, so she could get an "A."

Anyway, Blake had this covered without quite knowing it: why should there be one law for the lion and the ox?

1littlewho

APAs spectacularly suck!!!

Andrew Dobbs

I believe all kinds of crazy things--I don't like Jesus, America, capitalism or TV. Nothing, however, seems to get people quite as riled up as when I tell them that I'm an education abolitionist, and that I believe formal education is organized child abuse. Right on the money here, Crispy.

I can remember when I went from a straight A student to not giving a shit. It was in the 8th grade when my English teacher told us every essay had to have precisely 5 paragraphs--intro, three supporting grafs and a conclusion--and each paragraph had to have precisely 5 sentences. If you could make your point in three sentences, you got marked. If you needed 6 to make the point, you got marked. I was born to write, but it made me hate writing and I've never forgiven her or the system that forced such ugly garbage down my throat.

crispy

yo bush 41! your presidency sucked. but anyway, i guess the first thing i'd do is simply open the doors. i realize that compulsory universal education was once a progressive idea. among other things it reveals the authoritarian heart of progressivism: you have a vision of progress: now the only question is, how can we develop a sufficiently coercive machine to impose it? honestly the only people who actually can read, even now, are the people who want or need to read, because of some incomprehensible internal compulsion or because they have to to make a living. i'd start by returning to a scribe culture. meanwhile i'd re-train people like arne duncan's children and other such genetic defectives to communicate using hoots, grunts, and gesticulations, or by holding up pictures or something.

CF Oxtrot

Dig the original post, Prof Crispy.

Also dig Andrew Dobbs' comment.

Solerso

"That puts you on the other side, the born enslaved crowd"..

A bit off topic but it reminds me of series of letters between JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis wherein they discuss the accusation of certain critics that Tolkiens work is escapsim, and therefore bad. I find it wonderful to watch the two Oxford Dons tag team the critics. Finally they reduce the conversation to the question, "who has the most to fear from escape"? and both conclude "jailors".

Solerso

One other thing. I think its probably true that individuals with higher intelligence score higher on standardized test than less intelligent ones, but that has little to do with school. I did almost nothing in high school and scored 680 on the verbal part of the SAT (a long long time ago, 1974). Its because i started reading when i was 4, and continued reading through high school. I was reading for high comprehension and was accustomed to seeing good writing. They cant work hard to keep us stupid, and then turn around and blame teachers for making us stupid. The capitalist American culture fosters, and inculcates stupidity.There are plenty of cute, wealthy white kids, in well funded suburban schools who are fucking morons,semi-literate incompetents, because that is encouraged by a culture that values conformity and consumption over all other activities.

TGGP

"i believe quite sincerely that the current approach to education in a technocracy entirely justifies armed insurrection"
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/10/1860-view-of-school.html

Moose

"but the procedure was simply mechanical."

That reminds me of the Ascians from Wolfe's The Book of the New Sun.

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