so i was watching tucker on msnbc from the site of the dem pres debate in sc. and he was asking his little panel: do you think barack or others could get traction on hillary by calling her on her iraq vote? the consensus was 'no,' because at this point they're pretty much agreed on how to proceed. but what i'd say is: look what that vote (and, you know, edwards's and kerry's etc) shows about *them.* one reason a lot of these people voted the way they did was because of the polling, because they feared a fatal political blow from a 'no' vote. but that's to play politics with tens of thousands of people's lives. if that was behind the vote, then these people are, putting it mildly, disgusting moral slime. or do you really think hillary was impressed by the ridiculous arguments, or taken in by the inyourface deceptions? what i would say if i were barack (or anyone else who did not vote for the thing): *if* someone took a decision like that for political reasons, what does that say about the quality of their leadership or of their character? that way you're not just hurling horrible insults, but talking...hypothetically.