it's pretty interesting that the presidential election has focused on individualism vs. collectivism: kind of a pretty wide abstract conceptual frame. but i want to say that the way it's polarized is extremely primitive and silly. if you try to attribute everything to the initiative of hermeticaly-sealed individuals, you're just tripping; everyone except wolf boy is working in connection to other people, a whole set of cutural histories, right infrastructure funded by taxation (i.e., er, coercion). but on the other hand there ain't no collective without individuals, and if you're basicaly saying we're all in this together so i should agree with you, that's just sad. anyway: you built it vs we built it is just too ham-handed, and obviously is a false dilemma.