right, i'm not that worried about wholesale falsification of the results. but some of the arguments going the other way are discrediting to those making them. biden argued that we have to believe in the integrity of the process, because our democracy rests on trust. well you know, a rational person would place just as much trust in the process as it is trustworthy. it sort of sounds like you are morally obliged to trust the process, even if it's rigged. or then: how would you rig an election? you'd need to control 50 states' governments etc etc. no that's just obviously disingenuous; a relatively few votes in let's say one to three states could prove decisive, yes? anyway, don't turn your offense at trump into rank bullshit, ok? he's discrediting himself; he's discrediting you too unless you resolve to think a second and try to speak the the truth instead of the next manipulation.